英国网民:中国几乎消灭城市贫困,但不平等

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这是我第一次看到这个数据。有意思。我猜这就是你所想要的社会主义。

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原文地址:http://www.theguardian.com

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Whether it’s the currency devaluation or thestock market rout, the economic news coming out of China seemsunremittingly negative – and that’s not to mention the horrificexplosions in Tianjin.

不论是人民币贬值还是股市溃败,不断的有消极的经济新闻来自中国——更别提天津的可怕大爆炸了。

But here’s some good news.Yet-to-be-released data shows that China has all buteradicated urban poverty. For a country with huge numbers of poor peoplestreaming into its cities, many of whom living initially in conditions ofabject misery, this is an extraordinary success. It has been achieved, in largepart, because of a government subsidy paid to urban dwellers to bring incomesup to a minimum level of 4,476 yuan ($700 or £446).

但这里有一条好消息。还没有公布的数据表明中国几乎消灭了城市贫困。在一个有大量贫穷人口涌入城市的国家里(其中很多人在刚开始进城的时候都过着悲惨的生活),这是一个巨大的成功。之所以取得这个成就,很大程度上是因为政府对城市居民提供补贴,从而将收入提升到最低水平的4476元。

The data comes from the latest survey inthe ChinaHousehold Income Project (Chip) series and will not be formallypublished until next year. It shows that in 2013 the share of people living incities below this minimum income line was just 1.6%, adjusted for purchasingpower parity.

这些数据来自中国家庭收入项目系列调查,直到明年才会正式的公布。数据显示城市中生活在这一最低收入水平下的人口只有1.6%,根据购买力平价进行调整。

According to Prof Li Shi, director of Beijing Normal University’s institute ofincome distribution who works on Chip, that’s mostly accounted for errors intargeting by the government.

从事该项目的北京师范大学收入分配研究院李世教授说,这主要是由政府的调查目标错误导致的。


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Mizzentop BeatonTheDonis
19 Aug 2015 23:29
I simply can’t accept that it’s desirableto stop able people achieving too much because they skew the inequalityfigures.
I want to see everyone achieving as much aspossible.

不能因为有能力的人破坏了不平等数据就阻止这些有能力的人获得更大的成就。
我想看到每个人都能发挥出自己最大的才能。


andyholmes Mizzentop
19 Aug 2015 22:53
Why does inequality matter?
It matters greatly to the left’s feelingsof victimisation and envy.
Just look at all those wealthy Slovakians,Slovenians and Montenegroans

为什么这么在意不平等?
左派的受害者心态和嫉妒之情才这么在意不平等。
看看那些富有的斯洛伐克人,斯洛文尼亚人以及黑山共和国的人。


fishguard
19 Aug 2015 21:36
in Shanghai six years ago i had to get tothe station at tube at 5am to catch the plane. I had to climb over the bodiesof sleeping women packing the square outside, many with babies. I was shocked.Every Chinese person i know denied they exist. The babies were quite likely theresult of rape. I estimated several hundred. The average house in poorer partsof China was a concrete garage complete with up-and-over door and no windows. Ihad been completely unprepared for the poverty i saw there, the west showsnothing but neon lights and flashy stuff

六年前在上海的时候,我不得不在早上5点钟的时候做地铁去赶飞机。我不得不爬过在广场外睡觉的女性身体,很多妇女怀里还有小孩。我当时震惊了。我所认识的每一个中国人都否认贫穷的存在。这些孩子很有可能是强奸的结果。我估计有好几百人。中国贫穷地区的普通房子都是混泥土做的,都是上提式的门,没有窗户。那里的贫穷真是让我措手不及,西方媒体就知道展现那里的霓虹灯和好看的一面。


worried
19 Aug 2015 21:18
I do not believe this article…repeat: Ido not believe this article…repeat:…

我不相信这篇文章写的内容。


Duncan Frame
19 Aug 2015 20:30
China’s progress accounted for more thanthree-quarters of global poverty reduction and is the reason why the worldreached the UN millennium development goal of halving extreme poverty.
That’s the first time I heard that stat.Interesting. That is socialism for you I guess.

"中国的脱贫人口占据了世界脱贫总人口的四分之三还多,所以联合国极度贫困人口数量减半的千禧年发展目标才得以实现。"

这是我第一次看到这个数据。有意思。我猜这就是你所想要的社会主义。


canbeanybody steviematt
19 Aug 2015 19:02
I lived through the period as mentioned inyour post and I, together with millions others never see a single starvationdeath. How did you spot 45 millions starvation death? Care to show your photosor any other evidence of starvation death of a Chinese?
I also lived through Great Leap Froward andthat was most exciting time ever and I remember vividly how I caught the ratsand cut their tails and handed back to school master.
In fact the Great Leap Forward heralds theindustrialization of modern China and it continues to this day and beyond.
We did starve though because shortage of qualityfood just like Iran and North Korea today and the reason of starvation is alsodue to the same policy of notorious "sanction" triggered by the sameevent as China develops her own nukes.
Thanks to Chairman Mao and his Communistparty, we did get through in one piece. I am not sure those"sanction" crazy bigwigs are laughing now.
Yes, Chinese have Chinese dreams and hopes.What’s wrong with that?

我经过过你所提起的那个时期,我和其他几百万人都没有看到有人饿死。你怎么知道有4500万人饿死?你能向我们展示中国人饿死的相关图片或者证据吗?

我也经历过大跃进那个时期,那是最激动人心的时代,我还记得自己如何抓老鼠,切其尾巴并交给校长的经历。

实际上,大跃进预示了现代中国工业化的到来,而中国工业化一直持续到今天,还会继续下去。

我们当时确实因为食品的缺乏而挨饿,就像今天的伊朗和朝鲜,当时中国也发展自己的核武器,所以西方国家对中国实施臭名昭著的制裁,就像今天西方对伊朗和朝鲜实施制裁一样,所以这也是当时中国发生大饥荒的原因之一。

但是在毛主席和共产党的带领下,我们完好的度过了那个难关。我不能确定那些实施"制裁"的疯狂权贵现在是不是在笑呢。

是的,中国人有自己的中国梦。这有什么问题吗?


Diziet7 SecretSkivver
19 Aug 2015 18:39
A centralised state capitalism. Rathercloser to ordoliberalism than full-on neoliberalism.

一个中央集权的国家资本主义。在秩序自由主义和新自由主义之间,更像前者。


quarrytone BoredwithLabour
19 Aug 2015 18:08
It can be much cheaper to live in China, soyour pound can go much further. For instance a reasonable restaurant meal cancost a pound, a bottle of water 10 pence.

在中国的生活成本更低,所以同样的钱你在中国可以做更多事情。比如,吃一顿饭只要1英镑,一瓶水只要10便士。


Steven GallusOne Smith BeatonTheDonis
19 Aug 2015 18:07
The CIA? Well that must be reliableinformation!

中情局?好吧,那这些信息肯定是非常可靠的!


FreeMindsFreeMarkets
19 Aug 2015 17:30
It hasn’t eradicated rural poverty though.

但是中国还没有消灭农村贫困问题。


BeatonTheDonis tweakysanders
19 Aug 2015 16:54
Reducing inequality via wealthredistribution will certainly reduce inequality, but almost certainly increasepoverty as well.
Drivel. Denmark, Sweden, Norway, theNetherlands, Belgium, Austria, Finland and Germany are all in the top fifteenmost equal countries on Earth and all are wealthy.

"通过财富重新分配的方式确实可以减少不平等,但也几乎肯定会增加贫困。"

胡说八道。丹麦,瑞典,挪威,荷兰,比利时,奥地利,芬兰,德国位列全球最平等的15个国家,而且他们的国民都很富有。


BeatonTheDonis Mizzentop
19 Aug 2015 16:51
Because more equal societies tend to bewealthier, healthier, happier, better-educated, less violent, less crime-riddenand more successful. According to the CIA, the ten most equal countries are:
132 Slovakia
133 Belgium
134 Netherlands .
135 Norway
136 Czech Republic
137 Denmark
138 Hungary
139 Montenegro
140 Slovenia
141 Sweden
The top ten most unequal countries are:
1 Lesotho
2 South Africa
3 Botswana
4 Sierra Leone
5 Central African Republic
6 Namibia
7 Haiti
8 Honduras
9 Zambia
10 Guatemala

因为越是平等的社会就意味着人们越富有,更健康,更快乐,接受更好的教育,更少的暴力,更少的犯罪以及更成功。根据中情局的说法,最平等的十个国家是:

132 Slovakia 斯洛伐克
133 Belgium 比利时
134 Netherlands .荷兰
135 Norway 挪威
136 Czech Republic 捷克
137 Denmark 丹麦
138 Hungary 匈牙利
139 Montenegro 黑山共和国
140 Slovenia 斯洛文尼亚
141 Sweden瑞典

最不平等的十个国家是:

1 Lesotho 莱索托
2 South Africa 南非
3 Botswana 博茨瓦纳
4 Sierra Leone 塞拉利昂
5 Central African Republic中非共和国
6 Namibia 纳米比亚
7 Haiti 海地
8 Honduras 洪都拉斯
9 Zambia 赞比亚
10 Guatemala危地马拉


BoredwithLabour
19 Aug 2015 16:49
Well, they can now stop after this amazingsuccess of making sure that no one in a city earns less than £446 a year.
Spectacular. ‘Poverty’ has been eliminated.They must all be ecstatic.

现在中国城市里的人们每年最低赚得446英镑的收入。
真是好棒呢。"贫困"已经被他们消灭了。他们肯定陷入了狂喜。


Mizzentop tweakysanders
19 Aug 2015 16:35
Yes – I agree. A wealthy society is boundto be more unequal. If we want equality then we are only going to get it bylevelling down and keeping everyone poorer. I’m not sure how that helps anyoneapart from those who just don’t like to see others doing too well.

是啊。一个富有的社会肯定是更加不公平的。如果要公平的话,只能拉平人们的财富水平从而让每个人变得更加贫穷。我认为这无法帮助到任何人,只会帮助到那些看不得别人好的人。


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